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A quick question for my francophone friends

How would you refer to a female French president?  "Mme le President" or "Mme la Presidente" (or some other way altogether)?  I've just been speculating on a scenario which has Villepin and Sarkozy fighting to a draw over the next 18 months, the French Right getting disgusted with both of them and letting someone like Le Pen slip in as the main candidate, which in turn leads to horrified French voters turning en masse to the Socialist candidate Ségolène Royal, who wins the presidency.  Thus my question.

Or maybe Chirac will just decide to run for a third term....

*loves languages like English where this question never arises*

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msdaccxx
Jan. 16th, 2006 11:22 am (UTC)
If the word President is masculine, the gender of the office-holder won't matter, afaik. So Mme le President would be correct, I believe
french_hobbit
Jan. 16th, 2006 11:24 am (UTC)
Feminization is fashion. Madame La Présidente, please.
french_hobbit
Jan. 16th, 2006 11:26 am (UTC)
Oh, what a weird icon, I've never seen it before - looks like lj is playing with icons again...
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aswanargent
Jan. 16th, 2006 11:37 am (UTC)
Ah! Merci!

And "oops" for the forgotten accent.
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crazybutsound
Jan. 16th, 2006 11:55 am (UTC)
Your scenario already happened if you remember. Different players but more or less the same outcome. Except people didn't turn to the left but to the right and elected Chirac. So I'm afraid that what will most likely happen won't see Ségolène as president. I'd vote for her though if it came to that. Actually, if she runs, I'll probably vote for her anyway.
aswanargent
Jan. 16th, 2006 12:12 pm (UTC)
I was thinking of what would happen if Chirac weren't an option this time.

Seriously, though, if Sarkozy and Villepin end up cancelling each other out, and Chirac decides against trying for a third term, who else might be a viable candidate from the right?
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alinewrites
Jan. 16th, 2006 12:12 pm (UTC)
I think both would be fine.
Président actually has a feminine gender (?) which is Présidente.
I'd go for Mme La Présidente. Other words are more tricky because they only have one gender -masculine or feminine. Ministre, for example; so it's Madame Le ministre -but fashion tends to take over and it's vey up-to-date to say "Madame la ministre".

that being said I highly doubt that Ségolène Royal has the necessary stature to become Présidente. She doesn't seem to have much of a political program and as far as charisma is concerned... :( ... Of course I'd vote for her rather than for Sarkozy or De Villepin (I don't believe much in the possibility of Le Pen this time) but really without any enthusiasm.

Jack Lang maybe?
aswanargent
Jan. 16th, 2006 12:17 pm (UTC)
What on earth is that man's background? Every time I see his name I have to stop myself thinking he's British.
greedy_dancer
Jan. 16th, 2006 02:16 pm (UTC)
i believe he's most well-known as Mitterand's Ministre de la Culture, and especially for creating the Fête de la Musique. that's why i know him, in any case! but then again, i don't know much about politics ... lol
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morgared
Jan. 16th, 2006 12:37 pm (UTC)
D'accord à 100% sur les deux premiers paragraphes... L'ouverture laisse en revanche à désirer !
alinewrites
Jan. 16th, 2006 12:38 pm (UTC)
Pas ma faute, j'aime les vieux! ;)
luci_2
Jan. 16th, 2006 01:04 pm (UTC)
We can start thinking right now : we have the new President of Chile, Michèle Bachelet.

Let me tell you I like your scenario where Ségolène wins.
dominiquelechic
Jan. 17th, 2006 06:09 am (UTC)
Hmm...ok, it would be logical for it to be Madame la Presidente, but I remember when there was the first female minister/pm, the Academie Francaise insisted she would have to be called Madame le Ministre. They would probably say the same thing in the event of a female President, but I'm not sure if people would bother to listen to them now.

Mademoiselle, la question ne se pose pas. Sego?! Elle ne compte pour rien! Elle n'a pas de fortes chances de devenir presidente. On va la baiser avec du gravier!
jenni_snake
Jan. 17th, 2006 08:19 am (UTC)
(You'd like that, wouldn't you? Always with the gravier...)
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