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RPG Post: Important - Please read

This post is for the people who are involved in worldaffairs or intl_relations.

Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I think we should friends-lock these two communities as well as all the character ljs. I've been reading in the rp_discuss community, and there have been a couple of posts about the LJ Administrators deleting, without any advance warning, character ljs in a celebrity roleplaying community. Apparently "impersonation" of actual people is a violation of LJ's Terms of Service, and having disclaimers on the community or individual ljs is no protection or defense. (Neither is being unaware of what the TOS says.)

Granted, most of our characters are foreign leaders and so not likely to raise red flags with anyone, but George is a different story. And we've already seen what happened to speaker_pelosi. Once an lj is gone, there's no getting the posts or comments back; it would make me sick to see to see all of dominiquelechic's or vlad_impaler's work lost.

Let's talk about this, either here or outside LJ.



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Jan. 25th, 2007 08:26 pm (UTC)
Are you able to friends-lock communities? ... Oh wait, yes, you are. But... even if it was locked, that wouldn't prevent us from violating the terms of engagement (as it were), because it would still be out there. Would locking it really protect it?
Jan. 26th, 2007 12:02 am (UTC)
Well, yes, we'd be still breaking the rules, but we wouldn't have strangers stumbling on it and turning us in. (I picture some diehard Republican coming across Dubya's lj and recoiling in horror.) I doubt that the LJ Administrators are actively going out looking for fake ljs, but if one is brought to their attention, they're going to have to act on it.
Jan. 26th, 2007 02:54 am (UTC)
I'm sure they'll find you one way or another if you're locked or not. Some day. Paranoid? Nah... save all the stuff you've done so far, just in case.
Jan. 26th, 2007 03:29 pm (UTC)
First of all, there is, technically, little legal information on LJ. The closest I could find to a clause that would apply to any RP RPG would be under Terms of Service: XVI Member Conduct, 'You agree to NOT use the Service to': 3. Impersonate any person or entity, including, but not limited to, a LiveJournal staff member or volunteer, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with LiveJournal or any other person or entity ...

Now, before we get all worried about that, there is a difference, a legal difference, between 'role playing' and 'impersonation'. We are, technically, 'impersonating' real life personae, in the sense that we are 'pretending to be' those people. We are not, however, 'impersonating' in the legal sense and in the sense that the above clause XVI.3 intends, which is 'to assume (another's or a fictitious identity) without authority and with fraudulent intent'. We are not out to defraud anyone, we would not claim to people that we are who we are pretending to be. The disclaimers on all our LJs specifically state that. Therefore, and no it doesn't matter what happened to Pelosi, we are not violating said clause. I can't find the post where Pelosi's player was desperately trying not to get kicked off, but if I recall, she didn't mention that it was because of her 'impersonation', but because of an external complaint that was lodged. LJ claims not to monitor posting, but to respond to complaints - therefore, we would, legally, be able to keep WA and all political RPG journals going if we lock them. That's all. We don't allow anyone to see them except those people who we screen ourselves, and we don't advertise. News will have to get around by word of mouth, but that's basically what one has to rely on if a community isn't spotlighted anyway.

Tell me if there are any flaws in my argument...
Jan. 27th, 2007 07:12 am (UTC)
Here's the lj post that talked about the deletion: http://community.livejournal.com/rp_discuss/28810.html. If the poster is correct, the LJ people don't seem to see any difference between roleplaying and impersonation in the legal sense. You're right, though, that they seem to turn a blind eye except in the specific case of a complaint, and then it's only the journal that inspired the complaint that's deleted. Otherwise Vlad and Domi and the other WA character ljs would have been erased at the same time Pelosi's was, and the same thing in the case of the celebrity roleplayers.

I'm still hoping to hear what Tavi thinks about all this.
Jan. 27th, 2007 08:17 am (UTC)
I think that certainly one journal needs to be locked - Nico's. If anyone's journal is heading for potential trouble, it's his.
Jan. 27th, 2007 07:10 pm (UTC)
I still wonder why you think he's most at risk.
Jan. 27th, 2007 07:27 pm (UTC)
Just because he's him. You know, highly concerned about image and a bit paranoid...
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